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Alex Boston's avatar

You wrote: “Instead of saying “immigration reduces crime,” say “in recent US data, legal immigrants with strong labor market ties and deportation risk commit fewer crimes than comparable natives.” It is more cumbersome, but it is honest and actually useful.” But isn’t it the case that we have studied the effects of undocumented (ie- illegal) immigrants in the U.S. and found they also commit fewer crimes than comparable natives? I think this is because the undocumented through most of US history had very strong labor market ties and also have deportation risk, as you cite- but the legality of the immigration status is in large part what makes them a deportation risk!

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Just sharing some thoughts, not meant to provoke anything (maybe just some further thinking)

I think for the particular example of europe, one must consider: free movement within the EU for citizens.

With certain exceptions, many can enter the job market in country EU-X (being a citizen of EU-Y) benefit from unemployment packages, have privileged access to jobs over immigrants and/or refugees. What makes them different? If a person can provide a clean slate, no criminal record, appropriate qualifications, what does the passport mean? The immigration question in the european context needs to be centred around the question of EU and the differentiation between first and second class "citizenship"- a native born and a visa/residence permit holder. So long as we uphold a society that rewards some humans with privileges and sees others as less, the entire conversation around "who gets to live in this country and how, with which qualifications" is ironically a reflection of eery superiority some feel as winners of the geopolitical lottery. As you point out, policy reform can change the way we perceive immigration. If we are discussing how the public opinion must shift, we need to take into account how these perceptions are shaped by framing of the immigration concept.

"Selectivia uses a very demanding points-based system. It mostly admits highly educated workers with strong language skills and job offers in productive sectors.". Why is human value defined by the ability to perform as high as possible on the career ladder. Why does one need to be "highly educated" in "productive job sectors" to be an asset to society? Doesn't someone collect your trash, sweep the subway you ride in, scan your items at the supermarket? Would you be able to continue daily life without this labor? Are these people inherently less than, because they do these jobs? Can we employ immigrants only if they are highly qualified in productive fields, or only if they are willing to work these "less-than" jobs? Will we pay them as much as we pay the natives? All these questions are imminent and consequent to the immigration conversation.

An additional point, addressing the question of integration. Speaking the local language is an undeniable and crucial part of integration. Are language courses truly accessible? Rent prices determines the ethnic demographics of a city, let alone a country. Can we speak of an integrated immigration, when the affordable social housing doesn't include non-citizens? (See: the vienna model // Immigrants pay taxes just as well!) Can we speak of an integrated immigration, when people who have lived in a city for over 10+ years, though without citizenship, aren't allowed to vote and influence who gets to govern their communal spaces and funds? (See: https://www.sosmitmensch.at/faq-pass-egal-wahl)

My point being, without a critic of the capitalist, post-colonial european society, the questions you raise on how we can improve policymaking (here) cannot be answered.

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